'Sad and disheartened'

[Juliet10]

*echoes what Janie said about you not having to be sorry, Barb*

Now, they could stop all this 'I've heard it and you haven't so don't judge it' bullshit if they would just stop being so bloody secretive [img]mad.gif[/img]

Although that's probably a whole other issue [img]smile.gif[/img]

Michelle

xx

[sunhawk]

As you can probably tell from my comment on that thread, i completely empathize with getting tired of being told "give the album a chance!" when you already intended to do so. It's been somewhat frustrating to be lumped in with the few people who *have* decided to not like TTAS because i happen to not think too much of "Popular" as a track in itself.

As well, i have felt that the people who have already heard the whole album are in a much more comfortable position than those who haven't because they *have* gotten a chance to hear the whole album and give "Popular" proper context, whereas all we have is 2 mins in a vaccuum *chuckle*

And, as strange as it sounds, even hearing things that i am sure are supposed to be reassuring, like "if you love deep personal songs, you'll love it!", are beginning to feel like when you want to go see a movie and someone who has already seen it says "don't worry, the ending isn't as bad as you think" - i mean, nothing is ruined but i am beginning to get overloaded on everyone else's impressions without having my own as a buffer! LOL *is crazy*

Originally posted by NoRegrets:
Can all of you who've heard TTATS put yourselves in the shoes of those who haven't, all you've heard of Popular is the almost 2 min clip...so would you have different feelings about his new album? Can you imagine you're not a fan of Darren, therefore no preconceived ideas, expectations? Can fans be truly objective? (I don't believe so)

<font size="3" face="Tempus sans ITC, Papyrus,Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">that's exactly what i wanted to ask actually!

Accusations of not letting go of SG and making up your mind to dislike it were rude (in my opinion).

<font size="3" face="Tempus sans ITC, Papyrus,Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">i completely agree, that kind of commenting always gets my back up. If it were any other band that Darren was being compared to, it would be just chalked up as "difference of opinion"

[Laurina]

Thanks everyone for the replies.

"Stepping away from Darren for a moment... if I hear a first single from another artist, and I don't particularily like that single; I certainly think that I will probably not like the rest of the album. Sometimes I am proven wrong because I get some off-chance to hear the album, or they release a second single and I really like that song so I buy the album then; but none-the-less, I definitely do create some opinions on an entire album after hearing only one song. It is just the natural thing to do"

Laurie the above comments really helped and when I can finally login to sony [img]mad.gif[/img] I may respond to the thread.

<font size="3" face="Tempus sans ITC, Papyrus,Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm glad Barb [img]smile.gif[/img]

OK so I still can't login to Sony so here is my question

Can all of you who've heard TTATS put yourselves in the shoes of those who haven't, all you've heard of Popular is the almost 2 min clip...so would you have different feelings about his new album? How would you feel getting constant responses of "you have to hear the rest of the album, don't judge it on one song" Can you imagine you're not a fan of Darren, therefore no preconceived ideas, expectations? Can fans be truly objective? (I don't believe so)

<font size="3" face="Tempus sans ITC, Papyrus,Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I believe I can put myself in the shoes of those who haven't heard the album Barb. I have spent alot of time in other people's shoes (non-members vs. members, and on and on) so I can at least empathize with that feeling of unknowing.. and I have experienced it in the past (not with Darren but with an INXS album). It is a weird place to sit in, it really is. Like being on one side of a two-way mirror - seeing people but not hearing what they are speaking about. You understand part of the communication, but not all.

As to how would I feel? I think I would say this "Of course I will give it a chance. I have listened to Darren's music for 7 years, so naturally I will pick this cd up and give it a try" And then I might yell a bit lol.

Now, can a fan be truly objective? Depends on the fan, I think. Although I tend to think that "no" a fan who has been "with" that artist for some time probably can't be completely objective; I do think that we have it within ourselves to be. I am just not sure if we want to be objective all of the time because it is a scary thing... to acknowledge that maybe we won't feel connected anymore and that we have become seperated from someone's music when he has meant to much to us in the past. I would be scared of that because music, and the artists that make it, symbolize so many things in my life and to lose someone is like losing a piece of my life.

Can I give an example? You know what INXS means to me. I have been listening to those guys for nearly 20 years. When Michael died... I lost a piece of me because many things in my life I recalled because of something INXS related. When I heard Need You Tonight I remembered, with great detail, driving in my car with my friends, screaming the lyrics out. When I think of Original Sin, I think of my high school boyfriend and him singing that song to me at a school dance. When Michael died... somehow those things died too. Hard to explain really, and I know I am not doing the best job.

Anyway... can fans be objective? I like to think I can be; but I think I am subjective objective. lol

<font color="#9966FF" size="1">[ June 29, 2004 02:58 AM: Message edited by: Laurina ]</font>

[DarrensPassion]

Can all of you who've heard TTATS put yourselves in the shoes of those who haven't, all you've heard of Popular is the almost 2 min clip...so would you have different feelings about his new album? How would you feel getting constant responses of "you have to hear the rest of the album, don't judge it on one song" Can you imagine you're not a fan of Darren, therefore no preconceived ideas, expectations? Can fans be truly objective? (I don't believe so)

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Barb firstly let me apologise if I came across as being rude in that thread on Sony. I certainly wasn't posting in anger, I only meant that I hoped everyone who hasn't heard it already would have an open mind about it and I see that they are willing to do so, so my apologies again for not picking up on that before. It certainly is not my intention to force my opinions on anybody else about this.

Stepping into the shoes of someone who hasn't heard the whole album but only that one clip of Popular, I would say that knowing what Darren is capable of musically and lyrically in the past, I would still have faith in his ability to produce an album that I could relate to and enjoy even if I didn't particularly like Popular.

I just want for Darren to be successful with this album and for as many people as possible to enjoy it. [img]graemlins/girl_hug.gif[/img]

Janie xx

<font color="#9966FF" size="1">[ June 29, 2004 06:17 AM: Message edited by: DarrensPassion ]</font>

[BarbT]

Gosh, where to start

Steen..Thank you so much for really understanding what I was saying and feeling [img]smile.gif[/img]

Laurie...I can totally relate to what you said about INXS. Some of my fave bands from my younger years have lost their lead singers and yes when you think back to those times and what you were doing it does make a difference.

Janie and Laurie..thanks for your ability to put yourself in anothers shoes, that is not something that everyone could and would be prepared to do.

Janie it was not your comment that really upset me. I enjoyed reading your review, Laurie's review and the one on the SG bbs (even though I had intended to wait and listen first..guess that was my big mistake, lol). It also wasn't those reviews that led me to feeling the way I do now.

I too hope Darren has success with his new album, whether I end up liking it or not. I am willing to give the album a go because it is Darren and yes there is history. That said one song of Goldfrapp did put me off even bothering to check them out further and as for Specificus 30 seconds on stage was enough to last a lifetime, so there are artists I dismiss after hearing 'one clip' [img]wink.gif[/img]

[Kattitude]

Completely valid points Barb!

You are allowed to feel whatever you feel without anyone telling you to give anything a go. You feel what you felt when you heard the clip of Popular and express your views.

one of my pet loathes is the when people say if you were expecting SG its not like that its different Darren blah blah.. well I say be as different as he wants but make it damm good. I will give the album a chance just as I did with spin. I guess I dont have high hopes after the dissapointment that was "Spin".

Kat

[twizzle]

Well we'll have to agree to differ then Laur. [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/girl_hug.gif[/img]

For me, it IS only music and although I love the stuff, it's not especially an important thing to me in that I don't let it rule my life or my actions. I just enjoy having it around. [img]smile.gif[/img]

<font color="#9966FF" size="1">[ June 29, 2004 01:02 PM: Message edited by: Twizzle ]</font>

[sunhawk]

You are most welcome Barb [img]smile.gif[/img] *huggles*

[Laurina]

Originally posted by Twizzle:
[QB]Well we'll have to agree to differ then Laur. [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/girl_hug.gif[/img]

For me, it IS only music and although I love the stuff, it's not especially an important thing to me in that I don't let it rule my life or my actions. I just enjoy having it around. [img]smile.gif[/img]

<font size="3" face="Tempus sans ITC, Papyrus,Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nothing wrong with that Terry [img]smile.gif[/img] It is that way for me with some music, but with other music I am more emotionally attached to it. It is like a piece of me. It sort of reminds me of when I was a teenager and I really loved Duran Duran, and people at my school would call them all sorts of names. I would get so pissed off and so upset because it was not like they were insulting Duran, it was like they were insulting me. Some music is a part of me. Darren's music is a part of me. INXS music is a part of me. Depeche Mode's music is a part of me too. There is just a far deeper connection to them for me.

[BarbT]

I am a music whore [img]wink.gif[/img] It surrounds me, it relates to defining moments in my life, I can't travel down the street without having a cd on, lol. I crave it (just like chocolate).

However since the 'incident' elsewhere I am still unable to derive any pleasure from my SG/DH albums, in fact I rarely play them. Could this be a stumbling block with the new album, I sincerely hope not because I truly am prepared to give it a go despite being somewhat 'surprised' at Popular. At the present I am listening to 'swing' he he, won't my mummy be pleased [img]eek.gif[/img] but maybe not it is Robbie after all [img]smile.gif[/img]

Yesterday I listened to Ray Of Light and I was surprised when I really listened how many 'noises' there were and how I'd not really noticed them before I just loved the sound, however, I didn't like 'Music'.

Laurie my 'friends' here scoffed at my admiration of Darren's music. If I spoke to 10 ppl in real life...3 would probably say 'who', 5 would say 'oh he's the guy who broke up SG' (courtesy of the wonderful media support he receives here NOT), 1 would remember the very moving 'Lost Without You' performance and 1 would say 'oh he has the most incredible voice' You know I'm tired now of the 'he broke up SG' I just sigh and change the subject. My sister-in-law does have a copy of Spin now after falling in love with it because she heard it here.